Dr. Robert Cooper is Consultant and Honorary Reader in Rheumatology at Hope Hospital, Salford and the University of Manchester, United Kingdom, and a member of TMA’s Medical Advisory Board. Later this year, he will begin an investigation of the connection between heart disease and myositis.
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Do psoriasis and DM increase the risk of heart disease?
Participant:I am aware of cardiac complications associated with psoriasis, also an autoimmune disease. I have both this and DM. Any evidence that having both increase the risk further of heart disease and if so, is it mainly coronary artery disease or other vascular issues? If not already discussed, are there any preventative measures to be taken besides the usual (no smoking, good diet, exercise, etc.)? Many thanks, Renee Lantner
Dr. Robert Cooper:All inflammatory diseases are likely associated with an increased cardiovascular risk, although this is not yet proven for either IIM or psoriasis. In the long term, it is likely that patients with all inflammatory diseases will be treated for cardiovascular risk in the same way as diabetic patients currently are, but this will not happen for IIM/psoriasis until proof becomes available that there is increased risk. So, for now, no smoking, keep thin, plenty of exercise etc, quite right.
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Why do Cardiologists not know that MB is elevated when you have regenerating striated muscles?
Participant:Before being diagnosed with PM, I was on Crestor. My CPK was elevated and the MB fraction was over 5.5mg. I was put in coronary care until a heart attack was ruled out. Cardiologist did not know that MB is elevated when you have regenerating striated muscles. Why do doctors not know this?
Dr. Robert Cooper:Doctors are becoming increasingly super specialized, so become increasing unlikely to know about all in every specialist area.
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Could the pain I am experiencing in my legs be residual problems from dermatomyositis?
Participant:I was diagnosed with dermatomyositis two years ago. After going through a year of strong meds, I was told by my doctor that I am in remission. Could the pain I am experiencing in my legs be residual problems from this disease?
Dr. Robert Cooper:Yes it could, as CK can normalize, and strength can be normal by manual muscle testing, yet low grade disease could still be present.
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IBM, Tachybrady Syndrome, and Mitral Heart Valve Stenosis
Participant:Is there any positive causal relationship between mitral heart valve stenosis, tachy-brady syndrome, and inclusion body myositis?
Dr. Robert Cooper:Not to my knowledge, but I have not done an extensive review on this issue on pubmed to date.
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Who's at risk for heart disease?
Participant:Are there indications as to who is at risk for heart disease?
Dr. Robert Cooper:Anti SRP antibody positive patients are likely at an increased risk of IIM-related cardio-myopathy, and all patients with inflammatory diseases are thought to be at an increased risk of cardiovascular events, although this is not proven yet for myositis.
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What is the difference between polymyositis and dermatomyositis?
Participant:Besides the evident rash, what is the difference between polymyositis and dermatomyositis? Is a person more at risk for heart disease if one has both type of myositises.
Dr. Robert Cooper:All patients with inflammatory diseases may be at increased risk of cardiovascular disease, but this has not yet been proven for myositis. Work is ongoing in this area though. The true level of difference between PM and DM is not yet fully understood, but the cardiovacsular risks are probably identical.
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Must decided whether advisable to remain on Coumadin D/T IBM or quit as a one time episode?
Participant:Diagnosed with IBM, Parkinson’s, & post tibia Fx & massive lung clots. Clot buster Tx successful. Must decided whether advisable to remain on Coumadin D/T IBM or quit as a one time episode?
Dr. Robert Cooper:May be down to individual choice here, but be guided by your general physician. Make sure that tests have been done to exclude causes of thrombophilia, i.e causes of accelerated clottability.
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Do you feel Semtical to be of any benefit for IBMS?
Participant:Do you feel Semtical to be of any benefit for IBMS?
Dr. Robert Cooper:To my knowledge there is no effective treatment for IBM. I thus had to go onto google to find out what semtical was, and found that this product has not been through the usual rigourous clinical trials required by the FDA, so there is no scientific proof that it works.That is not to say it does not work, merely that there is yet no proof either way.
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Do people have pain with IBM?
Participant:Dr. Cooper, My name is Mike Harper and I have been diagnosed with IBM since 02/2006. I know it is said that most people do not have any “pain” with IBM. I am having constant pain in my knees and lower legs as well as new onset pain in both upper arms at my shoulders. This just started recently and is not relieved by my normal tramadol. I do not like, nor want to take any narcotic pain meds. Thank you for your opinion in this ongoing adventure.
Dr. Robert Cooper:Pain is relatively unusual in IBM, but I do have patients with IBM-related pain, and this is likely due to the associated inflammation. Your physician could try a small dose of steroids to suppress the latter, this may do the trick.
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HAL-5 exo-skeleton and Myositis
Participant:Have you been able to see if the HAL-5 exo-skeleton has been helpful to anyone with myositis and in the stage near having to use a wheelchair for mobility?
Dr. Robert Cooper:Do not know what this is, sorry.
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How does stress play a part in your heart and body living with Myositis?
Participant:I have IBM Myositis at 62 years old. How does stress play a part in your heart and body living with Myositis? I worry a lot. Please help.
Dr. Robert Cooper:Stress is not thought to play any part in the pathogenesis of IBM, but it is well recognized that stress could make any symptoms be perceived as more severe, so stress may be making you feel worse than you might. Perhaps you should see a stress councilor.
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Have you looked into people with both sIBM and heart disease in your research?
Participant:I have coronary heart disease with a stent in my right coronary artery and sIBM. It is difficult to maintain expected lab results when therapies for the two are so opposite, i.e..avoiding statins and cardio-type exercises in deference sIBM. I still take methotrexate once a week and 5gms of prednisone every other day. I take a powder (Questran) for cholesterol and two meds for high blood pressure/hypertension for the heart problem. Have you looked into people with both sIBM and heart disease in your research?
Dr. Robert Cooper:Charlie, as a rheumatologist I rarely see IBM cases, as the symptoms usually mimic peripheral neuropathy, and so usually present to neurologists. Questran is good, and suggest you take rigorous care with lifestyle (no smoking, weight down, exercise where possible etc).
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IBM and Atrial Fibrillation
Participant:I am 70 and was diagnosed with Inclusion Body Myositis in 2001. Developed Atrial Fibrillation 18 months ago and am in ongoing irregular but slowish rhythm. Neurologist and Cardiologist each dispute part IBM plays in development of AF. I would appreciate your comments.
Dr. Robert Cooper:Much more likely that it is atherosclerosis rather than the IBM which is the cause of your fibrillation, but could be due to both this and a myopathic process related to your IBM. Suggest be guided by your cardiologist re any tests or treatment.
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Could there be a relationship between Zocor and development of IBM?
Participant:I was having problems with high blood pressure before being diagonised with IBM. I was prescribed “Zocor” for that problem. Could there be a relationship between that medication that caused the IBM?
Dr. Robert Cooper:Zocor and related drugs can cause a myopathy, and this can include inflammatory changes, but statins would be unlikely to cause the very specific pathological changes that characterize IBM, and stopping the drug would be followed by a resolution of your myopathy if this was drug-induced.
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Question about symptoms
Participant:I have dermatomyositis. I have been very short of breath, hands swelling, my hands turn red from the knuckles down and I am extermemly tired. I have had a CT of the lungs and have some granuloma that the doctors are going to keep an eye on. My doctor says that he does not think that the symptons that I am having are coming from my lungs. Could they be heart related in any way?
Dr. Robert Cooper:It sounds as though you could have antisynthatase syndrome, which is usually associated with vasospasm of the fingers (i.e Raynauds) in combination with arthritis and myositis, and whereby there is inflammation in the lungs. Ask your physician whether this is the case. The treatment of the lung disease is immunosuppression, i.e the same as would be used to suppress you myositis. If you have got lung inflammation which is very stable, your physician may be just trying to allay your fears with his explanations. Alternatively, if you have become very unfit physically because of your myositis, this would tend to make you breathless with relatively little physical exertion. This does not mean that there is a problem with your heart, just that you are unfit.
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Advantage to having another muscle biopsy to determine if my dermatomysotis is gone?
Participant:I was wondering if there is any advantage to having another muscle biopsy to determine if my dermatomysotis is gone? My symptoms have disappeared, yet I’m still on cyclosporine and 5 mg of prednisone. Weaning off of both very cautiously but I’ve been on prednisone, in varying doses, for six years and cyclosporine for three. I will be very interested in your heart/myositis research findings.
Dr. Robert Cooper:You should be guided by your physician re: treatment requirements. I have had 3 patients who were in complete remission on treatment, and who all insisted on discontinuing, and all relapsed over time and had to go back on treatment. Our work to determine cardiovascular risks in myositis is only just beginning, so I cannot give you any answers yet in this regard
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Is Inclusion Body Myositis (IBM) is factored into the doctor’s analysis of dermatomysoitis, polymyositis and heart disease?
Participant:I am female, age 69 yrs and diagnosed with IBM in 2005. I’d like to know if Inclusion Body Myositis (IBM) is factored into the doctor’s analysis of dermatomysoitis, polymyositis and heart disease. I have a propensity for hardening of the arteries and had angioplasty performed at age 55 – left leg and groin (seems still to be ‘working’). There is a strong history of heart disease in both my parents’ families. Can I expect more vascular problems as the IBM progresses? Thank you for your consideration of my question.
Dr. Robert Cooper:There is no data yet regarding the level of cardiovascular risk and any myositis sub-type, but it is recognized that steroids do represent a cardiovascular risk, so if you are on steroids, you should discuss this specific issue with your physician. He/she will want to get you on the lowest dose that does the job, i.e so as to minimise the cardiovascular risks.
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Is exercise doing more harm than good?
Participant:I have IBM and have transitioned from PT to a Program at a gym. After exercise and throught out the entire evening my muscles are tight, tremble and hurt. Sleeping is very difficult. Is this doing more harm than good? I take prednizone20 mg, Imuran 150 mg, Vit. D, L-Arginine, Magnesium, centrum multivitamin. thank you
Dr. Robert Cooper:The only study which has looked at the safety of exercise in myositis concluded that, if the disease was suppressed, then aerobic exercise is safe. Suggest that you check with your physician that the inflammatory component of your disease is suppressed, and only use aerobic exercise. Normal people without IBM get exercise induced problems just the same as yours, if they push themselves, so your post exercise pain may not be related to muscle damage. You could try getting you physician to check your CPK before and 2-3 days after the activity, to see if the levels go up with your regime.
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How/why does ILD (interstitial lung disease)effect the heart?
Participant:How/why does ILD (interstitial lung disease)effect the heart?
Dr. Robert Cooper:It causes reduced oxygen levels in the pulmonary circulation, and this causes vasospasm, so that the pressure in the right sided vessels has to go up, thus putting stress on the right heart, which can eventually fail. It is for this reason that very expensive specialised vasodilator drugs have been developed. These are undoubtedly prolonging lives in myositis, but more especially in scleroderma.
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How likely am I to get heart disease since I was diagnosed with DM?
Participant:How likely am I to get heart disease since I was diagnosed with DM? I have been in remission for two years. And, there has been no heart disease in my family that I know of.
Dr. Robert Cooper:Your physician would be able to estimate the pressure in your right heart by echo. If normal, then there is no fear at this stage of right heart failure. This would only become a problem if you develop pulmonary hypertension. If your disease is stable at only small doses of steroids, this will minimise the cardiovascular risks, and if your whole body inflammatory status shows low activity (i.e if vyour ESR and/or CRP are low because your disease is suppressed, then your risks from the myositis are minimised. There is the seperate issues of modifyable activities such as smoking, body weight etc, and these need to be addressed seperately.
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Genetics
Participant:I’ve have dermatomyositis for 12 years. I’m doing much better, but will have small flares. I’m on only 5 mg. prednisone. Two years ago had chest pain and found I had 70-80% blockage in the main artery and had a stent put in. Thank God no heart attack. I’m 63, 135 lbs. not overweight, don’t smoke and occasional drinker, but had cholesterol of 260 prior to stent. The doctors wonder why as my dad had heart disease at 67 and was a smoker all his life. What do you think?
Dr. Robert Cooper:The familial risk of getting ischaemic heart disease is a product of 2 sets of genes, you mother’s and father’s, and there is no way of knowing, except by evry expensive genetic testing, how the resulting genes aare likely to interact. Thus, although longevity is often familial, it does not always run true. Keep thin, active and do not smoke.
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How does the use of prednisone effect the heart?
Participant:How does the use of prednisone effect the heart?
Dr. Robert Cooper:Not yet understood fully. It does however act to raise lipid leves, e.g cholesterol, and its use tends to cause weight gain, which represents a seperate risk for raising lipids. If inflammation represents a cardiovascular risk, then steroids may reduce this risk, by reducing inflammation, but the relative proportions of risk and benefit are currently not known.
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Stress and IBM
Participant:Dr. Cooper, there was a question about stress and IBM. Could you also comment on the part that living under constant stress might play in promoting heart problems? Thank you
Dr. Robert Cooper:It has been thought that rushing around at work may represent a stress that causes heart attacks and strokes. However, it is also the case that people who work very long hours are unlikely to have healthy eating habits, or to take sufficient regular exercise, so that is at least as important a factor for cardiovascular risk induction.
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Connection between pulmonary thrombosis and IBM?
Participant:I am 77 yo and dx IBM two years ago. I recently had a pulmonary thrombosis. Could there be a connection with that and IBM? Is an IBM patient more likely to have blood clots?
Dr. Robert Cooper:The is no intrinsic way that the disease process of IBM makes it more likely that you will suffer clots. However, as the disease progresses, and you get more and more imobile, then this factor can predispose to clots.
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Are there symptoms of myositis that may mask symptoms of heart disease?
Participant:Are there symptoms of myositis that may mask symptoms of heart disease? For instance, increasing weakness or shortness of breath might just be seen as related to the disease. What should myositis patients be particularly aware of regarding the possibility of heart disease?
Dr. Robert Cooper:If you take cardiovascular risk first, a blocked coronary artery would manifest as crushing central chest pain a heart attack), so you would recognise this as different. Heart failure from cardiomyopathy could cause breathlessness, but you would then expect other signs of hheart failure, suich as swollen ankles. Best to see aphysician if worried.
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Warfarin and IBM
Participant:I am dx IBM. After my recent pulmonary thrombosis I was put on Warfarin and told to continue for 6 months. What interaction might there be between warfarin and IBM?
Dr. Robert Cooper:There is none.
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what is the MB fraction and where should the level be?
Participant:Phyllis, what is the MB fraction and where should the level be? Is this the enzymes released by the heart that may indicate a heart attack? I had a blackout episode where they said my enzymes were “borderline”. I have dermatomyositis. Interesting that muscle strength is still affected even when CK is normalized. I am currently weaning off of Cyclosporine which had been a life saver for me. Am still on 5 mg of prednisone (6 years)and would like to get off of all meds. I also have problems with breast soreness which I’m following up on (without much success) with my gynecologist. Any connection, do you think, with the mysotis?
Dr. Robert Cooper:The CK in the heart contains a different fraction from skeletal muscle, so by doing both fractions, it is possible to tell whether this CK is heart or skeletal in origin. Unlikely that you will manage to get off all treatment without relapsing.
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What should I be doing proactively to ensure I am getting the best treatment?
Participant:As a myositis patient (DM) what should I be doing proactively to ensure I am getting the best treatment? The rareity of the disease itself often makes me wonder if my doctor is staying on top of the research and courses of treatment.
Dr. Robert Cooper:You should get your physician to send you to a centralised clinic. This may mean a large journey, but you will get better answers.
Well, that’s it for today’s discussion. Thanks to all the members who participated today. And a special thanks to Dr. Cooper again for being with us and graciously spending the time to answer your questions today. And a special thanks to Dr. Cooper again for being with us and graciously spending the time to answer your questions.